...a new Associated Press-Yahoo! News poll, conducted with Stanford University, shows just how wide a gap remains between whites and blacks. It shows that a substantial portion of white Americans still harbor negative feelings toward blacks. It shows that blacks and whites disagree tremendously on how much racial prejudice exists, whose fault it is and how much influence blacks have in politics. ...
More whites apply positive attributes to blacks than negative ones, and blacks are even more generous in their descriptions of whites. Racial prejudice is lower among college-educated whites living outside the South. And many whites who think most blacks are somewhat lazy, violent or boastful are willing or even eager to vote for Obama over Republican John McCain, who is white.
The poll, however, shows that blacks and whites see racial discrimination in starkly different terms. When asked "how much discrimination against blacks" exists, 10 percent of whites said "a lot" and 45 percent said "some."
Among blacks, 57 percent said "a lot" and all but a fraction of the rest said "some."
Asked how much of America's existing racial tension is created by blacks, more than one-third of white respondents said "most" or "all," and 9 percent said "not much." Only 3 percent of blacks said "most" or "all," while half said "not much at all."
Nearly three-fourths of blacks said white people have too much influence in American politics. Only 12 percent of whites agreed. Almost three times as many blacks as whites said blacks have too little influence.
Far more blacks than whites say government officials "usually pay less attention to a request or complaint from a black person than a white person."
One in five whites have felt admiration for blacks "very" or "extremely" often. Seventy percent of blacks have felt the same about whites. ...
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
(Click on the picture and you get a graph of the poll results ~ and large enough to read it, even!)
Here's what I wish white America would come to grips with: We Don't Get To Say How Much Racism Blacks in America Experience. We are not the ones who get to say when racism has ended. If black people are still feeling this disadvantaged then guess what? Racism is still with us. To an extreme. It really, really sucks to admit this but it means we haven't yet leveled the playing field. We haven't eradicated racism, bigotry and prejudice. We haven't even come close. Not with this kind of a gap. Black America knows the black American experience. White America doesn't. So suck it up, people. It's not fair yet. Pointing to how far we've come and specific examples of where a black person has risen over a white person doesn't change the fact that systemically society is still slanted hugely in favor of whites. We can want those things to mean it. We can debate and argue and disagree. Fact is, when the vast majority of black people still feel this disadvantaged, we haven't fixed a damn thing.
Those are Pobble Thoughts. That and a buck fifty will get you coffee.
18 comments:
Good clear post. I liked the way you put it: "We Don't Get To Say How Much Racism Blacks in America Experience" and "...systemically society is still slanted hugely in favor of whites." I have nothing to add, but thank you for putting this out.
TESTIFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Interesting article as I was actually having a similar discussion with somebody arguing that I bet there is a fairly wide gap if you were to ask people this question (it started in terms of the election).
Anyway, I tend to agree that we don't get to decide when this is "fixed" by any stretch of the imagination, however, I don't think it's all or nothing proposition either as you have to make strides - however small - to make this better. And I think this continues to happen. I hope.
Unfortunately racism will always be with us. There will always be a group of people that feels that they have less rights than another group of people. There are other groups of people who feel much like the blacks in this country. What about the Muslims, Hispanics, Asians, and other foreign immigrant communities. What about the Jewish communities that suffer from racism and hate crimes. I don't know the solution to it all.
I only know that it has to start (and it has) on a singular level. People like you and me not putting up with it. I find it funny that all children in this country are taught that this country was originally a huge "melting pot". That the strength and determination of our people to form this country came from our diversity. Well, I've always said that everyone could benefit by relearning the lessons taught in Kindergarten.
Moonraven ~ Thanks. And you're welcome. :)
Dennis R Upkins ~ Amen, Brother and Blessed Be!
$$ ~ Yes, we have to take the small steps that lead to big changes. It gets complicated when people start saying that the small steps Equal the big changes ~ and so we can stop now.
Pharmyard ~ If you look at previous posts I have written that stand alone, you will see I rarely refer only to one group of people. Generally, I speak about "non-whites" as opposed to just blacks. However, in this case, I was referring to a specific article that dealt with the black community rather than non-whites in general.
Much has changed in the Community that calls itself Black since we shared Dr King's dream. I doubt that most people have any idea what is brewing. Here's some insight: What Black People Really Want
And take a moment to check out what's on the Black Agenda:http://www.blackagendareport.com/
John Tecumseh Shawnee ~ Thank you for your comment and the links. I have read through them and I would imagine the best we can do here is agree to disagree.
I have been here a few times and may be ready to respond. I deal with racism every day. It is difficult to know what to say about it while you are mired in doing work with racism as a constant companion. But I do know that the "melting pot" idea is dumb. No one wants to be "melted" into the American Dream. In Canada, we had "biculturalism" because of a huge Francophone population in Quebec. Now we have "multiculturalism" which is just as much a crock of shit as any other vague notion of how we all love each other. We are all different. This is a good thing. Diversity is the key to survival, just ask Darwin. I don't need to know every little difference. Things other people do is allowed to feel alien to me. I don't need to get it. But we all need to start repecting differences if we want to make it another twenty years in this world. Time for fighting is almost out.
I guess I see things a bit differently. I've been the victim of black on white hate crime twice. Well, once succeeded, once eluded (I was VERY pregnant and a group of black boys didn't feel another white baby needed to be born).
I had a friend in high school beaten into a coma for simply doing his job (delivering a package in a black neighborhood, they beat him because he was white, he is perm disabled now when he was once very athletic).
I've lived where a black man with a LONG history threatened a cop with a realistic plastic gun at night and got shot. He wasn't killed, but OH THE CRIES that came out of the black community for this "promising young black man" and why wasn't the hispanic cop that shot him being put on trial (one shot was all that was fired after he was warned several times).
Yet a few months later, another black youth pulled a gun out and shot a white man point blank in the face. The black community was in an uproar because he was facing life in prison without parole.
Fact is, more black on white hate crimes are commited every year than white on black. Now I'm not saying that there isn't racism against blacks in this country. What I am saying is that whitie hasn't cornered the market on it. There are blacks out there that are every bit as racist as the KKK. But people don't talk about that. Racism against whites isn't reported nearly as much as racism against blacks. Case in point, my friend's beating was NEVER reported on the evening news. Not even a blurb. They said they didn't want trouble. BUT the black girl who was upset about something some other student said to her at school turned into a full out investigative report. I'll never forget that.
If we want to end racism it has to be addressed in EVERY form, not just the ones that are PC. When a hate crime is committed it should be handled as a hate crime, not as a crime against _________. Making one hate crime less important because the victim was the wrong color, sex or religion does nothing more than fan the flames of racism to begin with.
As for this country being a melting pot, never has been, never will be. I'd love to ask my Native American ancestors how much of a melting pot it was for them.
BostonPobble, please take a moment and revisit the blog at http://whiteagendareport.blogspot.com/2008/09/black-myth-1-white-people-are-born-with.html
Get the gist of my discusion with Mr. Fritzgerald then scroll down to his and my September 24 comments. What began as rough, hostil dialogue has now revealed a fraternal feeling that now transends race and brings our humanity and spirits together in an initial feeling of mutual admiration. Hopefully, his time spent in communicating with me has softened his attitude and he has recruited my, and my wife's, vote for Senator Obama. I feel my life is now enriched with a discourse that began with rough words and harsh attitudes and has resulted in our finding the true nature of our brotherhood. I feel Mr. Fitzgerald and I have broke through a vast divide in a discovery of each other as human beings.
Unfortunately, things are much worse that most realize, or will admit, in our Nation today. It may well be too late, but there is always hope.
Before you write me off as a frienge radical nut case, please take a look at the problem expressed in the early phase of the discourse, and what it can lead to if given vent in a civilized and open enviornment.
If this can happen on an individual basis, if we all wake up and begin to speak honesty to one another in a considerate and respectful manner, then it could happen socially, thanks to the Internet, if indeed, it is not to late.
Wow. Controversial. Krystal, the difference is that "black on white" racism was never systemic - institutionalized racism. Just saying.
Let’s just look at the facts about Black on White violence:
Following are statistics from the US Department of Justice:
[Source:] http://whiteagendareport.blogspot.com/2008/09/blog-post.html
The Race War Of Black Against White
by Paul Sheehan
The longest war America has ever fought is the Dirty War, and it is not over. It has lasted 30 years so far and claimed more than 25 million victims. It has cost almost as many lives as the Vietnam War. It determined the result of last year's congressional election.
Yet the American news media do not want to talk about the Dirty War, which remains between the lines and unreported. In fact, to even suggest that the war exists is to be discredited. So let's start suggesting, immediately.
No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 30 years a large segment of black America has waged a war of violent retribution against white America.
And the problem is getting worse, not better. In the past 20 years, violent crime has increased more than four times faster than the population. Young blacks (under 18) are more violent than previous generations and are 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than young whites.
Nearly all the following figures, which speak for themselves, have not been reported in America:
• According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.
• Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.
• Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.
• Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.
According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.
These breathtaking disparities began to emerge in the mid-1960's, when there was a sharp increase in black crime against whites, an upsurge which, not coincidentally, corresponds exactly with the beginning of the modern civil rights movement.
Over time, the cumulative effect has been staggering. Justice Department and FBI statistics indicate that between 1964 and 1994 more than 25 million violent inter-racial crimes were committed, overwhelmingly involving black offenders and white victims, and more than 45,000 people were killed in inter-racial murders. By comparisons 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and 34,000 were killed in the Korean war.
When non-violent crimes (burglary, larceny, car theft and personal theft) are included, the cumulative totals become prodigious. The Bureau of Justice Statistics says 27 million non-violent crimes were committed in the US in 1992, and the survey found that 31 per cent of the robberies involved black offenders and white victims (while only 2 per cent in the reverse).
When all the crime figures are calculated, it appears that black Americans have committed at least 170 million crimes against white Americans in the past 30 years. It is the great defining disaster of American life and American ideals since World War II.
All these are facts, yet by simply writing this story, by assembling the facts in this way, I would be deemed a racist by the American news media. It prefers to maintain a paternalistic double-standard in its coverage of black America, a lower standard. [End of Article
You know I have to say I've been quite disturbed as well as appalled by some of the comments on the posting board. At best some of the comments are misinformed. At worst some of the comments were not-so-veiled racism trying to be qualified and justified.
First and foremost some of the figures posted are completely bogus. It's been repeatedly documented that 90-95 percent of crimes committed by blacks are towards other blacks. That doesn't make it right on any level but the point is that if you honestly think that this government with its history with blacks would allow blacks to terrorize white Americans on the scale being claimed, blacks would all be back in shackles. And if you think I'm exaggerating, look at how Arab Americans have been treated since 9/11.
Furthermore, the US Dept. isn't going to quote accurate facts and figures when the government has been more than responsible for its role in the oppression of minorities in general.
The simple fact is this. There is good in bad in all races, all genders, all orientations, you cannot judge a person based on race, creed, nationality, gender, orientation, etc. That's what equality means.
No one is saying blacks have the right to terrorize whites. Of course that's wrong. That goes without saying and only an idiot would say otherwise. A government run by corrupt blacks is just as bad as a government run by corrupt whites. Again given.
There are women who assault their husbands and boyfriends or girlfriends or wives. That doesn't mean that sexism and oppression against women doesn't exist and that certainly doesn't justify said male misogyny or negate the legitimacy of the issue. That goes for racism against blacks and other people of color also.
Ultimately this isn't about white people vs. black people. This is about wrong vs. right. This is about people in power (whatever their race may be) oppressing another group of people because they're different.
And yes black people are continuously oppressed. Look at the education situation, look at the legal system and look at the disparities between minorities and those who are in the majority.
What black people want is the same thing that everyone else wants. They want to be judged on their merits and by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. They want to be judged by the content of their character, not because of the color of their skin. And the fact that I'm having to explain this is quite disturbing.
And as long as we keep denying the issue, the problems will never be addressed.
GOML! ~ I have gathered from posts of yours that you deal with this issue every day. Glad to have your input as I had been hoping for it.
Krystal ~ These are horrible crimes, horrible instances, horrible situations. I hope you have not read anything I've ever said to mean that I think these and crimes like them are justifiable. At the same time, this post is about the institutional racism that still exists within the US. Which is no more negated by individual crimes than individual crimes can be justified by the system. If you've never read his stuff, I highly recommend www.timwise.org for a far more erudite and articulate presentation of the situation than I can manage.
JTS ~ I applaud you and Mr. Fitzgerald's willingness to enter into dialogue around the issue.
GOML! ~ Thanks for pointing that out.
JTS ~ I question Paul Sheehan's "facts." And believe that we have returned to my original statement which is you and I should probably agree to disagree. I would also, however, suggest you visit www.timwise.org because he is able to express this issue far better than I.
Dennis R Upkins ~ Nicely put. Thank you.
Krystal and John Tecumseh Shawnee ~ I am adding another comment here because I don't feel I did you justice with the last one. I was rushed and shouldn't have posted at all until I could address it more fully. So, to rectify that, I'm responding again.
Krystal ~ Part of the difficulty in discussing systemic racism is indeed experiences like these. Every single one of us has experiences similar to these and they can, understandably, color our view of the larger system. For every story you have, the Divine M has one, too. For every story where a person of color got a job when a white person was more qualified, there is a story like mine ~ where I quit a job because resumes with "ethnic sounding names" were going straight into the trash without even being looked at for qualification. It is easy to get angry (not an inappropriate response) and lose sight of a bigger picture. What we experience must be the norm.
And yet none of these individual experiences and focusing on the very specific instances will ever and can ever allow us to get to a point where we can begin to address the larger issue of institutional/cultural/systemic racism. And if we can't even discuss it, acknowledge it is bigger than any of these specific instances and step out of our own experience, it will not change.
John Tecumseh Shawnee ~ First, I would ask you to please read the comment I just left Krystal. Second, in the very first article you ever linked here, there is a disclaimer that "white" and "black" are not about race but are about self-identity and people of any color can self-identify as either. Then you go on to say that "white" equals mainstream and "black" means against the norm. You do not seem aware of the big picture, systemic racism right there. Punishing black people who commit crimes isn't any kind of racism, let alone systemic racism. And yet offering the label “white” to black people who consider themselves mainstream, equal, part of, included in, the American culture is *exactly* the systemic racism being discussed here. Being concerned about Michelle Obama wanting to work for her community first and foremost is the kind of racism being discussed here. White cultures have made similar statements and it is seen as a good thing, not forgetting one’s roots, giving back to the community, remembering where you come from. For a black woman, it’s proof she wants to take over the country.
It is subtle; it is easy to rationalize. It is still racist.
Boston Pobble, I just made a post on the White Agenda Report blog that was inspired by the comments here. I appologize for the length, however, it is a difficult subject to address briefly: Here's a version of the post:
Making the wrong diagnosis for an illness, and treating that illness based on the wrong diagnosis, will not cure the actual illness, and may harm the patient.
This is the problem with the social diagnosis that White Privilege is the cause of the social illness of the group of people in America that have chosen to refer to themselves collectively and racially as the Black Community. Excessive violence and the failure of many of the group to compare equally in terms of economics and education with the so called White community is considered to be the fault and failure of the government and White people to include Black people in the mainstream opportunity and prosperity that is afforded each White person by birthright and association alone.
The initial problem is one of vernacular. A person, that stereotypes all the people with various skin shades and ancestral nationalities, and that considered all people, that have pale skin in comparison to some more dark skin pigments, as being White, are using racialist thinking, and have a mind-set and thought process that is wired as a racialist.
There is no such thing as a typical, all pervasive, like thinking, cohesive group of people that all came from the same geographic and ethnic background, and arrived in America at the same time under the same circumstances that can be distinguished in any way under the term White. Racialist must use such simplistic terms and social concepts in order to support their misinformed and racialists rationales.
Likewise, Black is a purely racialist term and is likewise overly simplistic to fit the racialist’s mindset. I will use the terms here in order to communicate with people that use such simplistic and racialist’s terms in their mental process, however, I do not hold that these terms are valid or accurate in any matter – to describe a person, a group, or an actual skin color. I rejected and abandoned this type of racialists thinking after hearing Dr. Martin Luther King’s dream speech and beginning to dream that dream with him. I abandoned color as a social reference in my mental process in the 1960s and regret that racialist’s terms like Black and White linger still in so many minds after over 40 years. Even though I abhor the racialist terms of Black, White, Brown, Red, Yellow; I have to recognize that people who use these simplistic terms in designating and categorizing individual American citizens into racial groups are unaware of the mental infection, and will even deny that they are mentally wired to process mentally in a racialist manner. Like a mental virus, the viral infection infects the entire rational process. So I will defer to the racialists in the blog and use and recognize the terms with this caveat attached.
The misconceptions and misinformation regarding the issue of White Privilege goes back so far, and is so ingrained as social myth among racialists that it is difficult to discuss the issue intelligently and with historical accuracy.
To briefly point out some of the more fundamental misconceptions:
The idea that White people arrived in what is now America as a privileged class is wrong. Most White people arrived in early America as Indentured Slaves. [1] White people continued to arrive in America as Indentured Slaves through 1747. [2]
When the first Black indentured Slaves arrived in what is America, one of them soon gained freedom and became slave owners themselves. Fact: One of the first people to own slaves in Jamestown was Black.
In 1619, Virginia had no law of slavery and the arrivals became "servants." They went to work in tobacco fields alongside other servants who were white and had come from England. Conditions were equally hard for both groups, but servitude could end. Early Virginia blacks gained their freedom and a few actually prospered. One, named Anthony Johnson . . . arrived at Jamestown in 1621, survived his own time of servitude, married, and acquired land and indentured servants [3]
Of the White people living in America today, it is just as likely today that a randomly selected individual Black person has a slave owner ancestor as would a randomly selected White person. There was such a small percentage of White people that owned slaves back then, and such a high percentage of Black slave owners in relation to their total population, that the odds might actually be favored in a Black today being the offspring of a Slave owner:
In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states. The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves. Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).
… According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country’s leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.
To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters. [4]
Fact: .…These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more. [5]
(More links to information showing that the first Americans were primarily Indentured Slaves is shown below.)
So both Whites and Blacks started out in America as Indentured Slaves. So much for the Slavery set me back or All Whites, and whites only, are generically guilty for holding Blacks in Slavery social myth. Slavery began as an equal playing field and only ended after White people so disagreed over the morality of slavery that 50,000 White people died on the field of battle to settle the issue.
To truly understand the social illness within the Black Community, and the difficulty that these people have had in better assimilating into mainstream American society to their satisfaction, it is necessary to examine the circumstance of their ancestors who first arrived in America.
Primarily these people had been taken from their rather primitive tribal environment in conflicts with other Black tribes and traded for goods to Whites. Many had been brutalized already by the Black capturers and bore the scars of punishment when they left the shores of Africa. When they did arrive in America, the other people that had arrived before them did not acquire any special obligation to these people. These Black tribal people were like the Red tribal people and were not accustom to European culture, particular the Enlightenment and Individual Liberty movement that swept over America and established Mainstream American Culture based on individual freedom and Western Civilized culture.
As has been proven by the formation of the Black Community and the commitment of members of the community to work within that community for the betterment of that community, working within a likeminded group that identifies as a group is a natural human process that has served as an evolutionary benefit for to humans for thousands of years. It can be understood that the Black people and the White people preferred to stay in a apart socially. There was no social or moral imperative established or obligated at this time to include Black people within the emerging White Community. There was nothing wrong about how Mainstream America began to form, it was natural and an individual experience. No Individual American can be considered to now be encumbered with some social obligation, or responsibility for some social advantage that was gained in this period of individual advancement for Americans. The way the Black and White people of their own free will today go to separate churches is an example of this natural human process that bares no fault on the part of any group. If the Black people are mislead by black ministers, or if White people are mislead by White ministers it is not the fault of one group if the other group errors.
Peope who were most associated with Blacks who first arrived in America felt that they were as a group were prone to be more violent and culturally primitive than White people. The way to evaluate this factor is to consider the circumstance of Blacks that did not come to America and stayed in the original environment in Africa. It is fair to say that this is what American Black people would be like today if they had been left in Africa. Of course is not accurate because likely, if the original Blacks had not been sold they would have been put to death and would actually not be a factor in this consideration today. However, it is safe to say that American Blacks would not have achieved the wealth or the 15% increased Intelligent Quotient they enjoy today over the typical African Black without their ancestors coming to America.
We can also see how violently Blacks treat other Blacks today in the examples of tribal genocide that takes place in Africa today. Even Slavery is still practiced in Africa today, yet we see no objection from Black Americans. Anyone who knows anything about how Blacks slaughtered White Africans in Rwanda, took White-African owned property, and destroyed what was once a prosperous country, or what is happening in South Africa today to White Africans at the hands of Black Africans, can see what American Blacks are like culturally and would be like without the influence America has had on them.
Racialists can compare the typical African Black person in America today with the typical Black person in Africa today to access the change and advancement since their coming to America. Likewise Racialists can compare the typical White person in America today with the typical White person in Europe today to access the change and advancement since coming to America. I feel even the most racial or the racialist will have to admit that Black American Africans have made significantly more advancement from a primitive tribal beginning than the White who came from a more civilized European culture initially.
Fact: Black Americans started much farther back than White Americans and had much more to accomplish individually to catch up. This is not the fault of any individual White person, or of an social construct of White people as a group.
Fact: Mainstream America has made a major effort to assist Black Americans and have made great progress in helping to advance Black people from a primitive tribal culture 100 years ago to the American Mainstream culture today.
Fact: Black people rejected the concept of total social Integration into Mainstream American society forty years ago after the death of Dr. Martin Luther King. Immediately after the death of Dr. King, the Black Separatists movement began to usurp Dr. King’s message of Integration and established the founding principles of Black Liberation Theology [7]. People that had once been know as Colored people working to assimilate into mainstream American society, began to demand that they be called Africa-Americans. The colored people who still were working to assimilate into the mainstream were ridiculed and called Uncle Toms,
The final transition to complete a separate and alienated dark skinned social group was completed with the demand by the group to be called Black. The social indoctrination and racial infection of the now joined group was spread through the large segment of American Society that separated itself socially as Black.
An example of this is how Michelle Obama considers herself to be obligated to the Black segment of the population above the White, or even Mainstream, segment of American Society. Michelle Obama feels it is logical and moral, just as southern separatists and segregationists of the 50’s and 60’s felt, to be social separatists and favor one’s own perceived social group over the perceived larger social group. Mrs. Obama states in her thesis while at Princeton University:
By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.
‘Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America, but she elevates black over white in her world. Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning: There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost.
In a poll for Michelle’s thesis of other Black students at Princeton regarding their retaining their Blackness and separationists attitudes she laments: I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the [Black] alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility. [6]
To find that Black racialism had infected the wife of a potential United States President is an indication of how pervasive Black racialism is in what is called the Black Community.
The problem for the innocent White people is that the Black Community uses the crime of White Privilege to justify their own difficulties and as reason to violent attack and punish White people. People like Tim Wise makes money and gains black praise for admitting to something that exists only in the racialists mind.
Meanwhile 45,000 White people were murdered by Black people since Dr. King died, and some racialist attempted to justly this American version of Black genocide just as we accept Black on Black and Black on White genocide in Africa at this very moment today in Africa. Black assault does not really become real until you experience it personally. The fact that there has been 175 million violent crimes by Blacks on Whites since the Black movement started has no significance to the racialist mind clouded with misinformation and myth.
The social illness that members of the Black Community in America is not White Privilege. I have some idea what the problem is, but since I am excluded by the Black Community as having any right to comment on Black issues, I will leave it to the same black leadership that betrayed Dr. King and the dark skinned people in leading them into Blackness, to solve the problem.
It is not a White problem. Other than the harm Black people are doing innocent White people. It is a Black problem. The very concept of Blackness and separation is wrong. Teaching children that Western Civilization and Mainstream America is alien to Blacks is wrong. Teaching Black children that it is ok to bully, intimidate, and even kill White people is justifiable and acceptable because of harm done to ancestors in the past is wrong. To hold others responsible for individual failings is wrong. Racialism in America is wrong.
[1], [3] http://www.bedfordstmartins.com/history/series/hw/slavery/slaveryintro.htm
[2] http://www.electricscotland.com/history/other/white_slavery.htm
[4], [5] http://antzinpantz.com/kns/?p=989
[6] http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02/23/michelle-obamas-princeton-thesis-reveals-doubts-about-her-own-integration/
[7] http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/31079.htmll
History of White Slaves in America:
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.ht
http://www.crusader.net/texts/bt/bt07.html
See Video
http://elliotlakenews.wordpress.com/2007/01/14/yes-virginia-white-slavery-existed/
[Original text from: White Agenda Report
Yep, racism at play here.
The charge of racism cannot trump the truth. This is a very unpleasant subject and it is easy to understand why most main stream Americans wish to avoid getting into a discouse that challenges white guilt for black problems and white oppression of black people that began at the founding of this country and exists today.
For the last 40 years the people, who consider themselves to be Black, have been having a conservation only with themselves limited to what is called the Black Community.
My experience of recent has been that people, who consider themselves to be Black, are extremely ignorant of historical fact. These people, with the Black racialist mindset,when confronted with the truth can only react by calling the facts racist.
It would be better to have this discussion now, and make the truth and facts known, than to allow the social annomsity based on ignorance to continue to fester and further infect the social order of Mainstream America.
The problem will not go away. Tomorrow it will be worse than today. Eventually, mainstream America will have to deal face on with the problem of Black Racialism in America.
It is unfortunate that the people who consider themselves to be Black, now appear to speak for all Americans with dark skin and some African ancestory. Hopefully the emerging interratial population, the dark skin people who consider themselves fully enfranchised American Citizens, the brown, and light skinned people will join together in bringing the light of fact and truth to this Blackness.
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